I have a blue and white porcelain bowl that I acquired in France about 17 years ago.

I have shown it to several experts in Asian porcelain and have been given some very interesting opinions.

However, all have agreed that the bowl is somewhat of a mystery, and opinions have been diverse.

The bowl is about 8 and one half inches in diameter and has a tarnished silver rim.

"Antiques" to The Foreign Devils

Your bowl in unusual but not that big a mystery. First of all, it is Chinese, despite the fact that is has several features that from a picture could make you think of Japan, such as the top outside border which is un-Chinese in style - and the inside border closest to the rim, which is in a Kangxi period style often associated with Japanese taste.

It could have been made either during the closing decades of the 19th century or during the late 17th to early 18th century. This is not possibly for me to decide finally from a picture only. I will give you the arguments for both, then the quality of the glaze as felt when handled will tell you which of the two possibilities are the correct.

The mark is some kind of "badge" mark which is fairly common on pieces dating to the first decades of the 18th century but occurs well into the 20th century, so this alone is not conclusive.

The foot rim and the white glazed base with the small black pinholes are early 18th century in style but are not impossibly at a later date - i.e. the Guangxu period - so this is not conclusive either.

The decoration is quite unusual and seems to be a man in Chinese garb standing next to or following a cart pulled by a goat. After visiting China a few times, mobile street kitchens are no uncommon sights and this man could be selling just about anything - roasted chestnuts?

The locality of the scene is indicated by the presence of a "Wall surrounded by clouds" as seen behind the cart. The drawing of this wall - maybe the Great Wall - seems to be simplified and based on earlier sources i.e. the Transitional/Kangxi period, rather than actually belonging to it.

The most confusing feature on the picture of this bowl is the metal clad rim. This feature have really no purpose at all on such a large bowl as this, except maybe covering a damage or - alluding to an earlier time when the rims of food and tea bowls were unglazed out of necessity and therefore got clad in copper or silver to be more pleasing to the lips of the user.

The problem is that a metal clad rim such as this, together with the Qing style dragon, are common features often seen together on a group of pieces all made during the latter part of the 19th century.

From the picture alone I am therefore tempted to put this bowl together with a great many other I have seen with similar metal clad rim and a somewhat uncalled for dragon incorporated in the decoration, all dating to the closing years of the 19th century.

During this period, the situation in China was desperate. The Qing Dynasty was falling to pieces and so was the Chinese Empire. The "foreign devils" were invading the country - hunting for antiques and treasures to loot. The potters in Jingdezhen therefore found a ready market in them and their agents, for all kinds of "Antiques".

To me it is in this rather interesting category all characteristics of your bowl would fit in quite comfortable. However, in this case only handling can tell from which period this bowl really is, and this you could do yourself.

If the glaze is so soft and glossy when handled - that it almost feel unctuous to the touch - the bowl belongs to the earlier period.

I notice on the picture that you have a Tongzhi (1862-1874) piece standing right behind the bowl. Compare with that. The difference should be obvious if there is any.

Try this out and please come back with your impression - and I will add this to this page :-)

Sincerely,
Jan-Erik Nilsson

Reply and comments:

Thank you again for your additional contributions to this discussion of the bowl. I find your thoughts intriguing and thoughtful. I guess I had always assumed (probably by mistake) that the rim was added to conceal some sort of damage or imperfection (is the term fritting? ) to the rim - there is one place along the rim - I think it is in one of the pictures but the picture may not be clear-that appears to be a place where there is a small chip repaired with some dark brown almost resin like substance that is mostly covered by the rim but extends just slightly below the rim. I guess what I am seeing could just be dirt but it does appear to be a chip under neath.

There is no way of knowing if there is a chip under the metal rim without remowing it. While as a feature in itself it supports the later date suggested above it does not rule out either a chip or an earlier date. The resin is normally applied to make the metal rim fit better and are seen on pieces from the Song dynasty and forward.

Some people have called the rim tarnished silver some have said copper-would it matter which in classifying the bowl and how could I tell.? Would I damage the rim if I touched it with silver polish to see if the color changes?

The rim could actually turn out to be a mixed metal i.e. bronze. It was very common to use the metal in cash coins for minor metal works. I have suggested copper since the appearance of most metal rims I have seen seems to support that. I would advise against polishing the rim since I think a patina aquired over some years adds to the beauty and what metal is used does not help in dating.

I will certainly take your suggestion and look at the bowl more carefully as compared to the decorative jar, which I know to be 19th centrury. I also have Mr Allens book on identifying later porcelain. Would it be helpful for me to look for some of the characteristics that he suggests as typical of non-imperial and export porcelain of that period?

Not really.The straightforward thing to do is to handle the bowl and check for the feeling of the glaze. The early 18th century glaze is very different and should be obvious.

After reading the above Mr. Wai-Choong Lye have added the further comment which seems to further points at a late 19th /early 20th century date.

The outer lining of the bowl just below the lid can be found in Chinese export porcelain, I say this because a similar motif is seen in coloured enamel in Chinese export porcelain for the Straits Chinese market. In the South-East Asian region, we associate the copper clad trims with Chinese export porcelain to Thailand. Many Thai bowls and lids have copper trims, like you, I am uncertain of the use of the trims, I was told that it was meant as a protective trim to prevent chipping and nicking but I think that is just a guess.

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